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		<title>By: patel</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-5233</link>
		<author>patel</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi any one can help me i frequently fly fron aeroflot bcause i live in russia i frequently fly to india,london and america.how i can get business class ticket in economys price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi any one can help me i frequently fly fron aeroflot bcause i live in russia i frequently fly to india,london and america.how i can get business class ticket in economys price.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-3113</link>
		<author>Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-3113</guid>
		<description>Another way to upgrade is to buy a ticket on US Air at rock bottom fare.  Twenty-four hours before the flight, *IF* they still have first class seats available, they will upgrade you for $50 per 500 miles.  So, say you are going 1300 miles, then the upgrade fee is $150.  If you bought a ticket for $200 round trip and then paid another $300 for upgrade, that is $500.  Of course, you are not guaranteed an upgrade at all and can only check on it 24-hours before the flight.

Of course, where you are going from/to also is a big factor in whether you can play these upgrade games.  Would anyone really fly Denver-Houston-Vegas just to get a free upgrade on Continental when you could fly non-stop coach on Southwest/Frontier/United-Ted?  And, it might be more expensive on Continental 

I'm still looking for the free first class confirmed and guaranteed upgrade on a $200 fare.  I'd probably do that, but I still like Southwest, who has no change fees!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to upgrade is to buy a ticket on US Air at rock bottom fare.  Twenty-four hours before the flight, *IF* they still have first class seats available, they will upgrade you for $50 per 500 miles.  So, say you are going 1300 miles, then the upgrade fee is $150.  If you bought a ticket for $200 round trip and then paid another $300 for upgrade, that is $500.  Of course, you are not guaranteed an upgrade at all and can only check on it 24-hours before the flight.</p>
<p>Of course, where you are going from/to also is a big factor in whether you can play these upgrade games.  Would anyone really fly Denver-Houston-Vegas just to get a free upgrade on Continental when you could fly non-stop coach on Southwest/Frontier/United-Ted?  And, it might be more expensive on Continental </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still looking for the free first class confirmed and guaranteed upgrade on a $200 fare.  I&#8217;d probably do that, but I still like Southwest, who has no change fees!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-3112</link>
		<author>Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-3112</guid>
		<description>While there are situations, such as the above, where you are booking on short notice, or at a popular time, where Y-UP might be cheaper than full fare coach, the best way to get the lowest price is to book far enough in advance.  For example, as of this posting on 04/06/2008, I did a search in October for DFW-Orlando and find that you can get coach fares for as low as $198 ($219 with the tax) on AA.

Southwest shows fares as low as $79 each way plus tax (about $180-ish with taxes).  Fourteen or twenty-one day advance purchase required.  In the Dallas-Orlando example, that would be out of Dallas Love Field (DAL) and would require one stop pursuant to the Wright Amendment phase out agreement.  Southwest offers non-stop service from a variety of cities to Orlando, generally with the lowest fare in the $59 to $99 one way, plus tax range.

No First Class, of course, on Southwest, but if you check in early, you *might* get an exit row which has some additional leg room.  Meal = peanuts -- bring your own food.

So, while it is true that you can fly first class for less than FULL FARE coach, its pretty hard to fly first class for less than "best price" coach.

There is a huge difference between paying $180 round trip and paying $786 round trip.  First class is a lot more comfortable, but I can promise you, that meal in each direction is not worth $600.  I'll leave it to you to decide if the the meal and the comfort is worth $600 per person.

The best way to fly first class at low prices is to earn SILVER or better status at Northwest or Continental.  They give free first class upgrades to their SILVER and better customers.  Then you can buy the lowest price fares and still have a *chance* at first class.  Your chance varies by route and by your status level.  However, before you get status, you've got to fly 25,000 miles or 30 segments with that one airline.  You *might* also get them to do a once-in-a-lifetime status match if you've got status with somebody else such as AA or UA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there are situations, such as the above, where you are booking on short notice, or at a popular time, where Y-UP might be cheaper than full fare coach, the best way to get the lowest price is to book far enough in advance.  For example, as of this posting on 04/06/2008, I did a search in October for DFW-Orlando and find that you can get coach fares for as low as $198 ($219 with the tax) on AA.</p>
<p>Southwest shows fares as low as $79 each way plus tax (about $180-ish with taxes).  Fourteen or twenty-one day advance purchase required.  In the Dallas-Orlando example, that would be out of Dallas Love Field (DAL) and would require one stop pursuant to the Wright Amendment phase out agreement.  Southwest offers non-stop service from a variety of cities to Orlando, generally with the lowest fare in the $59 to $99 one way, plus tax range.</p>
<p>No First Class, of course, on Southwest, but if you check in early, you *might* get an exit row which has some additional leg room.  Meal = peanuts &#8212; bring your own food.</p>
<p>So, while it is true that you can fly first class for less than FULL FARE coach, its pretty hard to fly first class for less than &#8220;best price&#8221; coach.</p>
<p>There is a huge difference between paying $180 round trip and paying $786 round trip.  First class is a lot more comfortable, but I can promise you, that meal in each direction is not worth $600.  I&#8217;ll leave it to you to decide if the the meal and the comfort is worth $600 per person.</p>
<p>The best way to fly first class at low prices is to earn SILVER or better status at Northwest or Continental.  They give free first class upgrades to their SILVER and better customers.  Then you can buy the lowest price fares and still have a *chance* at first class.  Your chance varies by route and by your status level.  However, before you get status, you&#8217;ve got to fly 25,000 miles or 30 segments with that one airline.  You *might* also get them to do a once-in-a-lifetime status match if you&#8217;ve got status with somebody else such as AA or UA.</p>
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		<title>By: person</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-2854</link>
		<author>person</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-2854</guid>
		<description>can find y-ups or qupps for such for flights to mexixco?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can find y-ups or qupps for such for flights to mexixco?</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-616</link>
		<author>Debbie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-616</guid>
		<description>This maybe a silly question...But, why aren't Y&#38;Q-ups available on International flights ? 
Is there such a way to get discounted First/Business class for International fare ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This maybe a silly question&#8230;But, why aren&#8217;t Y&amp;Q-ups available on International flights ?<br />
Is there such a way to get discounted First/Business class for International fare ?</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-550</link>
		<author>Darlene</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-550</guid>
		<description>Regarding Alaska Air Lines and "Y" ups, is their full fare the same as a u-up?  I looked at the fare code and they always have a U in the code.  Other airlines have a "Y" in the rate code.?

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Alaska Air Lines and &#8220;Y&#8221; ups, is their full fare the same as a u-up?  I looked at the fare code and they always have a U in the code.  Other airlines have a &#8220;Y&#8221; in the rate code.?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-458</link>
		<author>Greg</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-458</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Warning&lt;/strong&gt;
On most airlines these YUP's are not considered first class fares, so you do not earn the bonus miles and when delays occur (weather, mechanical etc) you may find yourself seated in coach.

In the cases where the coach is more then the YUP, I agree go for the YUP.

Also to note, there are sometimes actual First Class fares that are cheaper then YUP's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Warning</strong><br />
On most airlines these YUP&#8217;s are not considered first class fares, so you do not earn the bonus miles and when delays occur (weather, mechanical etc) you may find yourself seated in coach.</p>
<p>In the cases where the coach is more then the YUP, I agree go for the YUP.</p>
<p>Also to note, there are sometimes actual First Class fares that are cheaper then YUP&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Seaney</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-393</link>
		<author>Rick Seaney</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-393</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
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Tom, comment #10
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I beg to differ, here is a &lt;a href="http://www.aa.com/FareFinder?origin=DFW&#38;destination=MCO&#38;departureMonth=3&#38;departureDay=15&#38;returnMonth=3&#38;returnDay=22" rel="nofollow"&gt;link for the &lt;strong&gt;"lowest available coach seat" for purchase right now!&lt;/strong&gt; on the American Airlines Website March 15 - 22&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;$1151&lt;/strong&gt;+tax.
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The Discount First Class Price is &lt;strong&gt;$786&lt;/strong&gt;, as shown in the post.
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You go ahead and pay the "lowest available" coach price of &lt;strong&gt;$1151&lt;/strong&gt; -- me I'll hand you a free first class apple as you pass by me heading back to your &lt;strong&gt;$1151&lt;/strong&gt; "lowest available" coach seat so you can compare them apples to apples ... (well really I would only do it if I absolutely had to take a flight that day, which I would only do in an emergency...too much of a cheapskate...)
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Tens of Thousands of business travelers pay $800 or more roundtrip for travel in coach each day -- when they buy less than 14 or 7 days in advance, if you read up on Y-Up's in this blog you'll see where you can use them to your best advantage -- apples to apples.
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Tom, comment #10<br />
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I beg to differ, here is a <a href="http://www.aa.com/FareFinder?origin=DFW&amp;destination=MCO&amp;departureMonth=3&amp;departureDay=15&amp;returnMonth=3&amp;returnDay=22" rel="nofollow">link for the <strong>&#8220;lowest available coach seat&#8221; for purchase right now!</strong> on the American Airlines Website March 15 - 22</a>, <strong>$1151</strong>+tax.<br />
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The Discount First Class Price is <strong>$786</strong>, as shown in the post.<br />
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You go ahead and pay the &#8220;lowest available&#8221; coach price of <strong>$1151</strong> &#8212; me I&#8217;ll hand you a free first class apple as you pass by me heading back to your <strong>$1151</strong> &#8220;lowest available&#8221; coach seat so you can compare them apples to apples &#8230; (well really I would only do it if I absolutely had to take a flight that day, which I would only do in an emergency&#8230;too much of a cheapskate&#8230;)<br />
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Tens of Thousands of business travelers pay $800 or more roundtrip for travel in coach each day &#8212; when they buy less than 14 or 7 days in advance, if you read up on Y-Up&#8217;s in this blog you&#8217;ll see where you can use them to your best advantage &#8212; apples to apples.<br />
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		<title>By: Tom Murphy</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-391</link>
		<author>Tom Murphy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-391</guid>
		<description>You could also hop on one foot from DFW to Orlando, but why would you?

Your example, while true, is so skewed as to be useless to most travellers. You're talking about full-fare coach, which represents a miniscule percentage of all the coach seats sold on any given flight. By moving the arrival or departure dates by just one day - and trust me, six days with the mouse is better than seven and five is better still - you can cut the coach fare you quote by 25 to 35%. Just by waiting two days (today, Jan 10 at 7.15 pm) the price dropped by $200 for exactly the same dates you used. 

And by flying to Tampa - an hour from Disney World and let's face it, you're gonna have a rental car anyway - a day later and returning a day sooner the price drops to less than a third of that which you cite: $272 r/t on a nonstop.  Dunno 'bout you but saving a bit less than $600 EACH beats sitting up front for two hours.

Compare apples to apples (lowest coach fare available to lowest coach fare that gets you seated in First Class, a Y-Up) and I doubt your claim will ever hold water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could also hop on one foot from DFW to Orlando, but why would you?</p>
<p>Your example, while true, is so skewed as to be useless to most travellers. You&#8217;re talking about full-fare coach, which represents a miniscule percentage of all the coach seats sold on any given flight. By moving the arrival or departure dates by just one day - and trust me, six days with the mouse is better than seven and five is better still - you can cut the coach fare you quote by 25 to 35%. Just by waiting two days (today, Jan 10 at 7.15 pm) the price dropped by $200 for exactly the same dates you used. </p>
<p>And by flying to Tampa - an hour from Disney World and let&#8217;s face it, you&#8217;re gonna have a rental car anyway - a day later and returning a day sooner the price drops to less than a third of that which you cite: $272 r/t on a nonstop.  Dunno &#8217;bout you but saving a bit less than $600 EACH beats sitting up front for two hours.</p>
<p>Compare apples to apples (lowest coach fare available to lowest coach fare that gets you seated in First Class, a Y-Up) and I doubt your claim will ever hold water.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Seaney</title>
		<link>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-389</link>
		<author>Rick Seaney</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://firstclass.farecompare.com/2008/01/08/fly-first-class-for-less-than-coach/#comment-389</guid>
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Nic, comment #1 our Y-Up Tool does all airlines (from the home page).
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Jackie, comment #2, in this particular case the coach price was higher than first class. If I absolutely was going to have to buy -- why not! I decided to go to LAX which was in the low $200's in coach to Disneyland, the point however was that it was cheaper.
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Levary, comment #3 &#38; #5, Y-Ups are only for domestic U.S/Canada travel.
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ME, comment# 4, The average prices of a Y-up is $700 roundtrip, I have seen them as low as $300 and as high as $1200, some are good deals some are not, it just depends on your travel cities
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David, coment #7 as you can see in the story the RT price was over $900 for the days I wanted to go in coach and first class was cheaper, but no one would ever know it if they had to go and spend that kind of $
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Nataile, comment #8, Yes the same thing applies for all the U.S. Legacy airlines they have over 100,000 of these airfares across the U.S/Canada
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Nic, comment #1 our Y-Up Tool does all airlines (from the home page).<br />
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Jackie, comment #2, in this particular case the coach price was higher than first class. If I absolutely was going to have to buy &#8212; why not! I decided to go to LAX which was in the low $200&#8217;s in coach to Disneyland, the point however was that it was cheaper.<br />
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Levary, comment #3 &amp; #5, Y-Ups are only for domestic U.S/Canada travel.<br />
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ME, comment# 4, The average prices of a Y-up is $700 roundtrip, I have seen them as low as $300 and as high as $1200, some are good deals some are not, it just depends on your travel cities<br />
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David, coment #7 as you can see in the story the RT price was over $900 for the days I wanted to go in coach and first class was cheaper, but no one would ever know it if they had to go and spend that kind of $<br />
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Nataile, comment #8, Yes the same thing applies for all the U.S. Legacy airlines they have over 100,000 of these airfares across the U.S/Canada<br />
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